Wednesday, December 31, 2008

Hamas Versus Israel in NYC




“Support the West Not Islam,” were the highly contentious words on my sign. These words got me in constant, interesting and vital arguments with those on my side. Cordoned off by police barricades, my side was the one supporting Israel's retaliation for constant rocket attacks. The video relates this battle quicker, but the text below has much more detail.

I made the sign as none of the ones our organizers distributed mentioned Islam. The signs simply addressed Israel and Hamas. Our signs failed to educate people about the clash of civilizations. They gave no reason for supporting Israel. If the conflict is just one nation against another, the West has no stake in this fight. Obviously, the Israelis’ cultural roots and values align them with the West. The Islamic world backs Palestine. Sides exist.

Two young ladies gave me an interesting challenge. They claimed their Muslim friends were not against the West and I was alienating and defaming their friends by carrying the sign. I also have a nominally Muslim friend from whom I fear no terrorism. But she supports the West precisely because she does not take Islam seriously. The vast majority of Muslims do no harm. But that reflects laziness, not fidelity to their faith.

Someone barged in to our conversation, “Then why aren’t they here?” It was a rhetorical question, but one that packed a punch. When push comes to shove, even my good friend is on the Palestinian side. Subtly, culturism does not posit that one side is right and the other wrong. Obviously both groups believe in their side. It is actually pathological for people not to believe in their side. With rare exceptions, Muslims will support Muslims and westerners should support westerners. Love it or hate it, this is just the culturist nature of the world. Sides exist.

Another argued, “Your sign makes us look intolerant.” I replied that ‘not supporting” is not intolerance. Multiculturalists tell must “celebrate diversity” and we have no core culture. This means that we have no western cultural standards by which to judge and must embrace everything. This globalist, human rights, multicultural idea that we have no special cultural traits and that every one around the world agrees on fundamental values is incorrect. Other cultures do not prize tolerance. Other cultures have harems and circumcise women. Our values do not dominate outside of the West. If we tolerate or support such behaviors in the West, they will disappear.

And so we get to the very reason for my sign. Islam does not believe in women’s rights, individual scrutiny of life, democracy, freedom of speech, or the relative separation of church and state. I do not begrudge their protecting their culture on their lands - I expect it. But we need to protect western lands and allies; our land, our side. If, after 1300 years of battle with Islam we lose, western style rights will disappear. The Muslim goal is not Israel, India, New York’s twin towers, Spain's trains or London’s busses. Islam is aggressive in the name of theocracy. Muslim powers believe in theocracy. Diversity is real.

The video illustrates these points. Notice that their organizers distributed anti-American signs. They want to "defeat" western presence in the world. They are very clear about having a side. Note that the protesters chant “Allah Akbar.” Notice that the Israeli side has no anti-American slogans. One Israeli sign even acknowledges western pain over 9-11. Israel is on our side. They are a democracy with freedom of speech. America must not conceive of itself as a multicultural, global, neutral space. The West has a culture to lose. Muslims know they are on the Islamic side and so support it. Our duty is to "Support the West, not Islam."

56 comments:

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Empedocles said...

What is the relationship between multiculturalists and the multiple cultures they love? Clearly a multiculturalist likes all of the multiple cultures they celebrate whether they be Muslim, Japanese, Chinese, Somali, African-American, etc. Oddly enough, however, none of these cultures are themselves multi-cultural. Japan for example is fiercely protective of its culture, as are most other cultures in the world. So do multiculturalists advocate we all adopt multiculturalism as our ethic? If so, multiculturalism advocates changing the cultures they purport to respect. If multiculturalism wants all these cultures to change and to adopt a common culture, in what sense is it multi-cultural and not monocultural? On the other hand, if multiculturalists are not urging that all people adopt multiculturalism and that instead people retain their culture, what exactly is multiculturalism advocating? That people remain mono-cultural and not multicultural? If everyone behaves multicultural, and enjoys all types of foods, all ethnic festivals, adopts all religious beliefs, enjoys all types of music and visual arts--in other words, if they abandon their culture--multiculturalism ends up destroying all the cultures it purports to protect.
Thus, I think that there are two kinds of people who support multiculturalism. Liberal multiculturalists really want everyone else to remain monocultural while they aristocratically float above them all and want to reserve the multicultural perspective and arrogant, elitist moral and aesthetic superiority and sense of freedom they feel for themselves.
And so multiculturalism requires a two-tiered system: a foundation of monocultures, and an upper-crust of those multiculturalists who do the celebrating of diversity, who consume the cultural products—music, food, art, celebrations, fashion, etc—but produce none themselves. These cultural parasites, mostly upper class, white, urban, liberals, while themselves identifying with no culture, have no problem consuming the fruits of the world’s cultures. Therefore, despite multiculturalism’s egalitarian rhetoric, it is in fact an elitist ideology, requiring two separate systems in order to exist.
However, it is possible to allow for cultural diversity without requring a two-tiered elitist system. We can now see that it is possible to eliminate the two-tiered system for what we might call multicultural atomism. In it, the elitist parasitic class, instead of feeding off others cultures, would themselves rediscover their cultural identity. However, the motto of multicultural atomism would not be “celebrate diversity,” it would be “allow diversity, celebrate your heritage.”

Culturist John said...

Empedocles, Good to see you!!!

You nailed several fallacies of multiculturalism. They require cultural atomism, as you say. But they also do not really appreciate diversity. Culturists can pick and choose what they want in the West. The moment multiculturalists make any judgements, they are culturists.

The idea that anyone floats above anything is ridiculous. The West has a culture. It does not require you to be, say, un-Italian. But it does not allow you to marry two women, be racist, root for China, hate the West or pray for theocracy. What WE hold to be self-evident is not universal.

And, as the video shows, if only the West fails to recognize we have a culture to protect, it is dangerous.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Ducky's here said...

iberal multiculturalists really want everyone else to remain monocultural while they aristocratically float above them all and want to reserve the multicultural perspective and arrogant, elitist moral and aesthetic superiority and sense of freedom they feel for themselves.

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That brings up a good point. Why are leftist aesthetics so superior to the "culturist" right's.

It's to the point that the right doesn't have an aesthetic sense or an aesthetic inspiration. One more reason many shun their supposed culture.

Ducky's here said...

iberal multiculturalists really want everyone else to remain monocultural while they aristocratically float above them all and want to reserve the multicultural perspective and arrogant, elitist moral and aesthetic superiority and sense of freedom they feel for themselves.

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That brings up a good point. Why are leftist aesthetics so superior to the "culturist" right's.

It's to the point that the right doesn't have an aesthetic sense or an aesthetic inspiration. One more reason many shun their supposed culture.

Ducky's here said...
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Always On Watch said...

If the conflict is just one nation against another, the West has no stake in this fight.

Exactly.

And that's why the left keeps stressing that the Gaza War is just a pissing contest, one that's been going on for centuries. Of course, such a leftist position neglects to address the requisite ideologies and cultures.

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Happy New Year!

Z said...

Ducky, I don't believe the Right lacks any talents the Left propounds to have......the left just doesn't have anything better to do and they buy into the silly nihilism as 'art'.
Conservatives don't teach because they DO. More's the pity.
That's going to have to change or we won't HAVE an America anymore.


John..GOOD FOR YOU! you've got GUTS, man.

When we forget we HAVE a culture is when we're in big trouble.

Debbie said...

Posting a link now.

Debbie Hamilton
Right Truth

Empedocles said...

"That brings up a good point. Why are leftist aesthetics so superior to the "culturist" right's.

It's to the point that the right doesn't have an aesthetic sense or an aesthetic inspiration. One more reason many shun their supposed culture."

Give me a break. All the art that has ever been created in any place and time has been culturist. Even the so-called multicultural "leftist aesthetics" you mention is merely a phase Western art is going through.

Culturist John said...

Everyone, Happy New Year!!!

DEBBIE, thanks for the link.

ANONYMOUS, your main t-shirt about Muhammad preferring to live in Europe is in error. Many Muslims, rather than enjoy and acknowledge Europe's cultural superiority, want to recreate Islamic cultural hegemony there. It is NOT obvious to them that western values are superior.

Z, EMP and DUCKY, you are both totally right on, this divide does look a lot like the divide between modern art and traditional western art. Picasso versus Michelangelo.

As a culturist, I would look to the past to guide the future. We must listen to the Founding Fathers to appreciate citizenship. You need the past to judge whether or not you're moving forward. Are we gaining more choices, freedom and real liberty?

In art, abstract painting was originally, Kandinsky style, commenting on representational art. Now it has, as Z says, gone into nihilism. If it refers to tradition it seeks to undermine it. It is detached. It therefore cannot measure its progress.

Earlier western art self-consciously utilized and built upon and rebelled against earlier styles. We can compare Roman statues to those of Greeks. We can compare neo-classical work to Rubeun.

And, as Empedocles notes, just compare the Sistine Chapel to anything at the Guggenheim and you cannot note the vitality, creativity and energy being sucked out. If Da Vinci saw a scribble on paper being passed as art, he'd know we're in cultural decline.

AOW, Good 2CU. Do you think it on purpose or an accident that they forgot to mention civilization? I guess they just don't know, schools never taught them.

Thanks all!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!

Dymphna said...

Lefitst "art" cannot stand on its own and has little lasting aesthetic appeal.

It is also drowning in irony. "Cool" rules. Thus, we have religious icons in bottles of urine and demand that taxpayers subsidize these ummm...efforts.

Art that cannot stand on its own, without government support, does not deserve to survive. That includes the artistes of academe, so ready to criticize anything that does not pass their smell test. It's a closed environment and badly needs some fresh air.

Fortunately, what goes into avant garde museums is not what people buy for their homes, offices, etc. All too often, governments in one form or another do indeed spend our money on large, cumbersome art "works" and put them on display. These pieces are largely ignored.

I wouldn't mind so much if it weren't for the unrelenting need to move the shock boundaries, that plus the ubiquitous and passé ironic cool smeared on everything.

Culturist John said...

Here Here Dymphna!!

And it insults our achievement. When we see older art we are reminded of the amazing abilities and potential of mankind.

When we see modern art we feel all is stupid and hypocrites for feeling we can achieve anything.

On a related note, this naughty sexualizing of everything also makes all striving look like irrational priggishness. From Plato, to Jesus to Freud we have understood about the need to subvert immediate gratification for delayed gratification.

Basic western education is needed. Thanks!!!!

Brett_McS said...

How about "Well done, Egypt!"?

MK said...

Well said John, what i cannot understand is that why do so many in the west see the hamas protest and not see a problem with that. They are in America calling for the defeat of America.

In another other nation, Islamic or Asian, they'd all be lined up and deported because they are basically calling for the downfall of their own country or at best the country they choose to live in.

Why do we tolerate this.

Culturist John said...

MK, we have lost our ability to see America as a nation that needs attention and requires protection.

Multiculturalists would likely tell us it is racist to protect America from people who want to somehow "defeat" our military.

Our historical tradition is one of being culturist. We would not let, after 1907, those who identified as anarchists in. During war deportation happened.

Notice that no one under McCarthy said I am a commie and I hate America. That would have been considered shocking sedition. People would have, at very least, lost their jobs. They would have been barred from positions of influence.

Why? We have traditionally seen America as a fragile place that needs protection.

Technically, I believe that new immigrants can be deported for such behavior. Enforcing that would take a government with a culturist mind set. The same one that would build a wall between here and Mexico and ban Islamic immigration.

In the meantime, multiculturalists blind us to the reality of diversity.

Last thought, I would not advocate deporting people without due process. Law is important.

www.culturism.us

Damien said...

Culturist John,

Here's someone who is standing up against Islam. His name is Bosch_Fawstin.

Anonymous said...

OT (sort of)

I've pondered for a while what, if any culture we have, in the US. It's so hard to delineate and define any one culture, applicable to all Americans. It's not any easier when the usual suspects imply that, as an American (and a Caucasian American, to boot), I have no right to a culture.

Yet, I sense that there is a "something" that amounts to a culture, here.

Empedocles said: "...the elitist parasitic class, instead of feeding off others cultures, would themselves rediscover their cultural identity."

I agree, and I would dearly love to do just that. The snag is: Am I a Cherokee? Am I a Scot? Am I a German? Am I a Brit? You can see where I'm going with this, right? All of these cultures were the "recipe" for me.

Culturist John said...

Abscedere,

The West has a definite culture. We just think it universal and of the air we breathe and so miss it.

One the large scale, we go from Greece to Rome to the Middle Ages to the Protestants to Enlightenment. We create democracies and rights and freedom of speech in the process. These are not universal, they are western ideals.

Then on the more intimate scale, dating, having one wife, not impregnating 12 year olds or doing honor killings are some western characteristics. There is a sense of life that is very western and hard to explain. But the self-directed life, HOPEFULLY with a sense of responsibility to sustaining the West is a western construct.

As for meaning. The whole western enterprise is heroic. We have heroes galore from Socrates to Jefferson. These are western culture icons. We have art. We have western holidays. All we take for granted is either western or American.

Traditionally the West has been culturist. We have seen ourselves as fragile and in need of protection and republican virtue. Sustaining our nation has been seen as a mission. That is something you can do with a Cherokee or Scot accent.

Multiculturalism reifies and dignifies all horrible cultures as the same. It then tells us that all of western civilization is not special, but a common assumed Enlightenment backdrop. This means long-term Americans get stripped of a sense of culture; they live in common sense. Hence your question.

Earlier generations were clear on America's culture and sense of mission. We didn't just believe it for amusement. If we do not become culturist again, we will lose our civilization. Then we'll find out just how unique and special western culture was.

Thanks, Culturist John

Damien said...

Culturist John,

Did you happen to notice my response to your questions over at the Infidel Bloggers Alliance's post called, Muslims_in_the_West_Massive_
Deportations_Needed
?

I told you where you could find Rob Taylor's webpage and the article of his I pointed out earlier.

Also I commented on your Culturist_Anthropology_Lessons video and I am patiently waiting for a response.

Culturist John said...

Damien,

I posted a reply to your anthropology comments. I still cannot find where I'm mentioned at red alert. I really do like that site though!! For anyone who hasn't seen it, go to

http://www.red-alerts.com/

Please keep in touch, John

Damien said...

Culturist John,

I'm sorry. I accidentally wrote my comment over at infidel Bloggers Alliance in such a way that it sounded like Rob Mentioned you.

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Here's a direct link to your site. Its very good! Did you happen to see what Rob Taylor wrote about it? It was also good.
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What I meant to say was "Did you happen to see what Rob Taylor wrote about the protest. It was also good." I didn't realize that I might have written my statement in such a way, that would confuse you, or anyone else, until you told me what you thought I meant. I'm sorry about any confusion I may have caused. I hope you're not too disappointed that he never mentioned you before to my knowledge.

Anonymous said...

excellent post

Anonymous said...

The terror is reaching our homes and lands
The reach every place in Israel.
I am moving to my sister in Sidney next week.
this land is very dangerous

Brett_McS said...

Ha! My "Well done, Egypt" suggestion has a following.

Ducky's here said...

“Support the West Not Islam"

Always the excluded middle.

Ducky's here said...

Dympha, let me correct you because it's quite clear you are absolutely clueless.

You wrote:
It is also drowning in irony. "Cool" rules. Thus, we have religious icons in bottles of urine and demand that taxpayers subsidize these ummm...efforts.

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First there are positives to Serrano's photo and regardless, an artist should test limits.

Tax money did NOT subsidize the photo. The Winston Salem Arts Council (excellent organization by the way) held a competition and the National Endowment for the Arts put up a portion of the awards. Many businesses also contributed to the show.
Serrano won and received a cash prize as well as a one man show. The photo in question was NOT entered in the original show.

The NEA rarely funds specific works. Now if you would like to know how arts funding works in the U.S. rather than joining right wing no nothings blowing smoke and demonstrating you are ignorant I can recommend some reading.

You also wrote:

"Art that cannot stand on its own, without government support, does not deserve to survive."

Please go study the Renaissance. With folks like you we'd all be condemned to visiting the Thomas Kincaid galleries. As I said, the right has no aesthetic.

Ducky's here said...

Z, EMP and DUCKY, you are both totally right on, this divide does look a lot like the divide between modern art and traditional western art. Picasso versus Michelangelo.

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Well, add Mondrian, Matisse, Malevitch and a bunch of others and you might start getting a flavor of twentieth century art. I'm not sure how Picasso got to be the major figure.

And put them up against a homo among whose greatest works are intent on defining the ideal male form while Western culture does its best to reject honest expressions of sexuality.

No we have an idea why "western art" is a little more complex than the right perceives it.

Ducky's here said...

A question Dymphna. I looked at your profile and noticed you are a fan of the master director Yasajiro Ozu.

Are you aware he was subsidized?

What attracts you to a director whose film language is unique and virtually outside the technique of the western film canon?

Why are you attracted to a director who was considered "too Japanese" to screen in America?

I'll tell you what I think ... his discussion of the family completely cuts across cultural boundaries.
I'd be interested in your answer. Maybe your just attracted to the wonderful ineffable Setsuko Hara.

Ozu is a tough nut. Very much of his own culture but at least three of his films, "Late Spring", "Tokyo Story" and "Early Summer", are all mentioned by one or more western critics as candidates for greatest film ever made.

Damien said...

Ducky's here,

You said,
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“Support the West Not Islam"

Always the excluded middle.
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What middle ground is there?

Yes there maybe some genuine moderate Muslims (the ones who reject Jihad and Sharia) like Muslim_Agianst_Sharia, but they are not very effective. Plus they have to ignore huge chunks of their holy text, just so they can justify a peaceful egalitarian coexistence with non believers. These are hardly fundamentalists. Islam's true believers will always see Muslims like them as Infidels.

Then there are phony moderates like the C.A.I.R, which according to CAIR_Watch are really stealth_Jihad working to undermine our constitution and replace it with sharia. Meanwhile people who right anything critical of their religion are demonized.

Culturist John said...

Ducky,

I want to second Damien's answer and add a couple of points.

We are in a time of war. Soldiers do not fight for a little bit of both side. At the protest the video refers to, no one stood in the middle for a little bit of both. There are sides, there is a war going on.

At the second rally I attended a woman was on our side talking about her organization called "seeds of peace" or something. She ran a camp that got Israeli and Palestinian youth together for a few weeks. At the end there was love.

I asked her if she thought that would counteract the heavy propaganda of Palestinian schools and media. That is, would her camp counteract an entire national government / media program bent on hate? She said, "Well its a start."

On further reflection, it is worse than a start. If one side is arming and the other is trying to plant three seeds of peace, who will win? This sort of neutrality during war time always takes place on the Israeli side of the border (which has no middle between it) and only undermines one side's willingness to fight.

That said, I'd like you, Ducky, and others, to know that culturism seeks to unite America. We should respect the rights of all citizens not tied to terrorist organizations. We do not want to needlessly create antagonism and division. We need to stop Islamic immigration as it furthers division and tends towards anti-western sentiments and actions in our society. We must also stop allowing Saudis to fund mosques in our society. But, those muslims who are American citizens should feel like this is their home. Unnecessary demonizing leads to social division, not unity.

Thanks all!! John

Damien said...
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Damien said...

Culturist John,

you said,
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At the second rally I attended a woman was on our side talking about her organization called "seeds of peace" or something. She ran a camp that got Israeli and Palestinian youth together for a few weeks. At the end there was love.

I asked her if she thought that would counteract the heavy propaganda of Palestinian schools and media. That is, would her camp counteract an entire national government / media program bent on hate? She said, "Well its a start."

On further reflection, it is worse than a start. If one side is arming and the other is trying to plant three seeds of peace, who will win? This sort of neutrality during war time always takes place on the Israeli side of the border (which has no middle between it) and only undermines one side's willingness to fight.
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I have to agree. That women is living in pacifist fantasy. If you don't see the danger inherent wishful thinking, look at the Palestinian Israeli conflict. unlike most people, I don't even see the two state solution as a viable option. How can you peacefully coexist with people who are determined to destroy you by any means necessary. Israel should be allowed to do what must be done to utterly defeat the Palestinians, and rest of the free would should either help Israel or stay out of it, not pressure them into signing futile peace deals.

also,

you said,
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That said, I'd like you, Ducky, and others, to know that culturism seeks to unite America. We should respect the rights of all citizens not tied to terrorist organizations. We do not want to needlessly create antagonism and division. We need to stop Islamic immigration as it furthers division and tends towards anti-western sentiments and actions in our society. We must also stop allowing Saudis to fund mosques in our society. But, those muslims who are American citizens should feel like this is their home. Unnecessary demonizing leads to social division, not unity.
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Also having some more strict_constructionists on the bench like Antonin_Scalia would be a good thing. We don't want judges telling us we have to do things like let the Saudis fund Mosques. The founding fathers never intend the constitution as a suicide pact. Off course their is little we can do in this matter, since Obama probably won't appoint these kind of people to the supreme court. But its something to think about, come the next presidential election.

Damien said...

Culturist John,

Also we shouldn't let the Iranians or the Saudis give money to our universities or set up schools here. Plus we need to find a way to get off of oil, so we won't be funding the people who want to force us to convert, submit or die.

Always On Watch said...

John,
Do you think it on purpose or an accident that they forgot to mention civilization?

Both.

Ducky's here said...

Sorry Culturist, I refuse to have my world view reduced to the Arab/Israeli conflict.

Life is large. That "war" is small.

Worry about the economy and Obama thinking that a tax cut stimulus which gives hundreds of billions to suburban bobos (talk about a useless "culture") so we can keep playing "credit card nation". That is much more of a threat to the west than the Israel/Gaza nonsense.

Here's a culture tip also ... Muslims don't like it when Westerners try to occupy Afghanistan. They routinely make Western idiots who don't know their limitations pay the price.

You may have a vested interest in the outcome of the Israeli/Gaza struggle but to try to make that the center of world affairs is a disservice. Learn where the threats are. Israel has enough munitions to defend itself. The country isn't going anywhere. Start thinking about water. That's more of a concern to Israel than Muslims.

Damien said...

Ducky's here,

you said,
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Life is large. That "war" is small.
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If war is so small, why are so many people willing to fight and die in them?

you said,
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Worry about the economy and Obama thinking that a tax cut stimulus which gives hundreds of billions to suburban bobos (talk about a useless "culture") so we can keep playing "credit card nation". That is much more of a threat to the west than the Israel/Gaza nonsense.
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First of all, tax cuts are usually a good thing, because they tend to stimulate the economy. Second, the Palestinian terrorists are Jihadists, they fight on the same side as Osama bin Ladin. In fact many of them, admire him. If they succeed in wiping Israel off the face of the earth, it will not only mean the deaths of innocent Israelis, and the destruction of an ally, it embolden Hamas, as well as other Islamic terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda, and lead to more terrorist attacks world wide, including America.

You said,
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Here's a culture tip also ... Muslims don't like it when Westerners try to occupy Afghanistan. They routinely make Western idiots who don't know their limitations pay the price.
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So what if they don't like it? The Taliban, which I heard, most government didn't recognize anyway, was harboring Osama, and refused to turn him over to us after 9/11. Even though we had overwhelming evidence that was responsible for planning the attack that murdered over three thousand innocent people on American soil. The war in Afghanistan was an act of self defense. They were giving Al Qaeda a safe haven. we couldn't allow that. As far as I'm concerned with didn't go far enough in Afghanistan. Culturist John may disagree with me here, but I think there should have been more of an outcry when they said their new, post Taliban constitution would contain references to Islam.

you said,
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You may have a vested interest in the outcome of the Israeli/Gaza struggle but to try to make that the center of world affairs is a disservice. Learn where the threats are. Israel has enough munitions to defend itself. The country isn't going anywhere. Start thinking about water. That's more of a concern to Israel than Muslims.
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Weather you realize it or not, you have a vested interest in the Arab Israeli conflict. The Palestinian terrorists are Jihadists, just like the ones we are fighting. The ultimate goal of Jihadists is to force everyone on earth to submit, convert or die, and that includes you.

Damien said...

Ducky's here,

By the way if you still don't see way we should care about the Palestinian Israeli conflict, maybe you should read this.

Ducky's here said...

Or you can read this

Ducky's here said...

"Culture is a cover for imperialism"

Jean-Luc Godard

Damien said...
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Damien said...

Ducky's here,

Now, I just checked out the link you sent us.

In its newest commentary thoughtstreaming makes several extraordinary claims, such as the Israelis being master manipulators, as well as acting like the stereotypical Marxists and blaming the problems in the middle east, as well as Katrina on capitalism.

it says,
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One crucial aspect of this post-modern/humanitarian age is being able to control information and here the Israelis are the acknowledged masters. Who needs ugly old Joe Lieberman when you have Tzipi Livni and Dana Perino. Even Bloombergs getting in on the act. No reporters allowed in, not even 'embedded" ones. Brilliant. So what we are witnessing is the modern re-development agency at work, the "Katrina effect", tearing down the slums , removing the undesirables, and opening it up to the highest bidder. Valuable property once it's been cleared. The International Law at work here is the law of supply and demand, the law of returns on investment. And not a peep from Hillary. What will Condi call her book?
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If they Israelis are so good at controlling information, why are they being condemned by the world community whenever they accidentally kill innocent civilians while trying to defend themselves? Why is the world always telling them to show restraint, whenever hamas attacks them?

Then the same absurd commentary gets to how the US is supposedly setting up show trials and talks about how horrible we were for holding terrorists in Cuba, where they can't harm Americans, and how wonderful it will be when we release them.

it says,
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Another tool of management is the show trial, so to show the world the US is serious about The Law it will prosecute a few Blackwater "contractors" and a few grunts for killing 600,000 Iraqi civilians (give or take a few) and collective guilt is assuaged and we can move on. Guantanamo is closed and Justice is served. Expect the same sort of hand wringing and reprimands once the carnage ends in Gaza. Ceremony of Innocence indeed.
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So you think we are violating international law? Hamas is waging an aggressive war. That's one of the charges the Nazi war criminals faced at Nuremberg. Why isn't Hamas guilty of waging an aggressive war?

you said,
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"Culture is a cover for imperialism"

Jean-Luc Godard
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I don't know who Jean-Luc Godard is, but since you quoted him saying that, in this context, I'm guessing that you think the Israelis are imperialist.

How are the Israelis being imperialist? Are they being imperialist by defending themselves against those that would destroy them?

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